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Ep 34. Psilocybin, Anxiety, and Breakthroughs with Hilaria Larriva
Discover the transformative power of psilocybin as we talk with Hilaria Larriva, a microdose coach with Mayan ancestry whose unique approach has guided nearly a thousand individuals on their healing journeys over the past seven years. Learn how she combines her rich cultural heritage with modern scientific insights to help people reconnect with themselves.
Hilaria breaks down how psilocybin works on a neurological level, creating new pathways in the brain that can alleviate depression and anxiety, all while sharing compelling metaphors to make these complex concepts relatable and easy to understand.
Journey with us through the eye-opening story of one client's experience with challenging psychedelic encounters, demonstrating the unpredictable nature of plant medicine. This narrative underscores the value of preparation and guidance, illustrating how embracing discomfort can lead to growth and unexpected success, even placing someone on the Forbes fortune list.
Through our conversation, we explore the profound interplay between humans and nature, emphasizing the humbling realizations that come from engaging with plant medicine.
We discuss the importance of integration and recovery, likening the preparation for such spiritual journeys to nurturing the body during pregnancy. Our discussion is enriched with personal anecdotes, offering practical advice and inspiring listeners to explore these healing modalities. We also highlight resources like Holy Rebel that provide support for those interested in plant medicine, encouraging a holistic approach to empowerment and transformation.
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Hello, my friend, and welcome to Beyond, the personal growth podcast for the people who are healing beyond their conditioning and beyond the cycles that played out before them. My name is Katie Lynn and, with 20 years of experience in the field of psychology and human behavior, I am bringing my natural curiosity, expertise and personal life experiences here for discussions that are guaranteed to be informative, inspiring and entertaining. I'm glad you're here. Let's get started.
Speaker 1:Today on the podcast, I have an incredible expert. Her name is Hilaria Yariva and she is a microdose coach with deep roots in her Mayan ancestry, guiding nearly a thousand clients over the past seven years on their healing journeys. She specializes in helping individuals reconnect with themselves through the intentional use of microdosing, drawing on both modern insights and ancient practices. Hilaria blends her cultural heritage with cutting-edge techniques to facilitate personal growth and emotional healing. Her approach is holistic, empowering her clients to unlock new levels of clarity, balance and self-awareness. Through her work, hilaria has become a trusted resource for those seeking transformation and deep healing. Hilaria, welcome to Beyond. Thank you so much for being a guest. I'm really excited for this conversation today.
Speaker 2:I'm so excited because I'm a fan of this show, so likewise.
Speaker 1:So I would love for you to begin this dialogue with how you arrived in this space of healing and these particular modalities and this blend of your heritage, your cultural understanding and these technologies via plants.
Speaker 2:My family on my dad's side, because I'm Mexican-American and my dad's side is the Mexican side. So my family is originally from this city called Merida in Southern Mexico. It's in the Yucatan Peninsula and I've always just kind of been brought up in a way that we have these really ancestral roots and that we've come to the Los Angeles area and have transformed and honored all of these beautiful traditions, but also just evolving as well. So that's also something that's been just very near and dear to my heart and I've been really lucky just to be connected through just community, that I've been able to learn even further how some of these specific healing modalities work at a younger age and then I just kind of decided to, I guess, explore on my own too, which led me down a lot of wonderful paths, and interesting ones, to say the least.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's so many ways to take this right, and I feel like there's this really fascinating and beautiful, like I don't think it's a resurgence, but just greater awareness around healing modalities and plant medicine and things like that, where there's more curiosity than ever. I think there's more research than ever in terms of cognitive health and emotional health and how these modalities can really empower us as individuals on our healing journeys. And then there's also a lot of stigma and taboos still that we can run into, and I think I, when I was driving earlier, I was like when was my first ceremony? And I think it was actually 2017. And I remember like being connected. It was sort of like a person who knows a person who knows a person.
Speaker 1:That facilitates right, and understandably so, because it is still very new to the majority of people that are walking the world at this point, in America, let's say. When I heard about it, I was like very intrigued, right, cause I have my roots in psychology, I love human behavior, I love brain development, I'm such a geek for it and I had started to explore the research around how powerful this has been in terms of like just healing different, not just healing like depression and anxiety and things like that, but also in terms of like mindset and recreating new neural pathways. And so a friend of a friend of a friend, you know, helped me access my first ceremony, but there was a lot of fear around it because I didn't really understand what was happening or what was going to go on from a scientific perspective. So can you give us like a bit more insight about how this works scientifically?
Speaker 2:Definitely. So I work specifically a lot with psilocybin and and that comes in the form of mushrooms and I I'm like you. I love to learn all about the science part, because I think there's sometimes, even though there is more information out there, there's still a lot of it that just goes completely over everybody's head. So I try my best to kind of translate all that science and study, all these scientific journals and data and the best way to describe this in terms of science. We'll start off with like a metaphor, I like to say our brain is like a house and it has all these different rooms, it has all these different hallways, all the different cupboards, drawers, all these things like that. And unfortunately, sometimes, when trauma happens which it has happened to all of us, regardless of how big or small or when it happened our brain and bodies specifically shut down parts of the brain to protect us from those experiences. I'm not saying literally shutting it down where you're not able to function, but it does shut down these neural pathways and it does decrease neurotransmitters that make you feel sometimes feeling depressed, feeling anxious, feeling dull and just feeling in this place of like lullness. So when using something like psilocybin, that is very amazing at creating neuropathways and boosting neurotransmitters. It's basically like when you ingest psilocybin, these lights in your house start to go on, so your hallway light turns on, your laundry room turns on and you can actually see then what's in your house and then you can actually start to do a deep cleaning. And so sometimes that's why when people have maybe done talk therapy for a decade which I think is great, there's nothing wrong with it, but it's just also just a part of the healing process is that sometimes we can talk in circles about that same thing, but if we can actually start to open up these pathways for us to enter these spaces to actually deal with it, that's simply kind of how the science of it works in terms, and I like to say English works in terms and I like to say English. But if we want to throw some scientific terms in there, it's about saying we're using the house metaphor again, and if we have our house and the lights, are the neurotransmitters opening up when we ingest psilocybin.
Speaker 2:Psilocybin goes through this elimination process in our body body, specifically a lot of the times in the liver area, and it kind of sloughs off this molecule, like this phosphate molecule, and so psilocybin turns into something called silicin, and a lot of people don't know what silicin is.
Speaker 2:It's a part of psilocybin, it's a molecule within psilocybin, it's a molecule within psilocybin and that's the part that holds all the hallucinogenic aspects of this plant. And once we, you know, we're in the stage of psilocin, psilocin then has to connect to a very specific serotonin receptor. And I know a lot of people hear about serotonin and all of that and everybody wants more serotonin released in the brain. But we have to connect to a very specific serotonin receptor because that's our I like to call it the mood molecule. It's where it shows and informs our body how to react to things in happy times and also even sad times too. It's just it's regulating. So once that silicin connects to a serotonin 2A receptor specifically, that's when these neural pathways are opening, that's when these neurotransmitters are more enhanced. It's just that's kind of the science aspect and I hope that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it makes sense to me I love the science aspect because, for me personally, the understanding is such a huge component to my receptivity right. So if I can understand and better learn how something functions or like what it's going to do, then I can be more open to the potential healing available or the possibilities, or understand even just how to navigate what I'm getting myself into, you know and that doesn't just go for like ceremony, that goes for everything in my life. I'm like, oh, I want to go learn more about this Cause. I feel like I'm going to step into it, you know, or I want to dive deeper into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I mean, I think it's so important and valuable to know the science aspect, and even if you don't understand all of the science aspect, because there's a lot of like interesting terms, you know, and it's kind of hard to digest but that's why I've really tried my best to take the time to learn these things and find a way to actually, I think, explain it to people in a way that they're they're able to comprehend and understand it and it doesn't feel like it's out of reach, because when things, when we feel things are out of reach, we don't go towards it because it's kind of scary.
Speaker 1:You know and it's overwhelming yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's a different language. Exactly, and even just the outcome that you get from working with this type of medicine is also can be overwhelming too. So it's like if you can decide for yourself that you want to know all of the knowledge you possibly can, it makes things less scary and you feel more empowered in your healing. You're taking responsibility and accountability for your healing too, of not just being like oh, this shaman told me to do this at this time of the evening because the moon is out perfectly at this hour and you know, but you have no idea why you're just kind of saying, okay, I'll do it, you know, and I think it makes the process of healing just way more abundant and fulfilling. I think, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:I agree, and that's what I really appreciate so much about what you're doing and what you're bringing forward in this space is because you really have such a strong emphasis on education and not education from the perspective of like read these six research papers and like I remember when you sent me a video to watch when you were creating your program and things like that and I was so excited.
Speaker 1:I was literally like smiling and jumping up and down because it was so digestible, you know, and it was like, oh, this is really because you can go down a rabbit hole, especially in the online space, and just receive all kinds of stuff and then you've got to figure out how to disseminate, like what's accurate and what's not, and all of that, and I'm like it's so amazing that we have practitioners and professionals now that are stepping forward to put this in a way where we can have a trusted source of knowledge and information so that we can make really empowered, like you said, informed decisions around how we're going to really step into our healing and be an active participant. And unfortunately, like part of the reason that I was so excited about this episode is because I'm such a firm believer in like ceremonies and really ancient modalities for healing. But also.
Speaker 1:I've heard so many stories that are really unfortunate and probably could have been examples of situations and ceremonies playing out differently had people been more educated, had they had a really grounded and well-practiced facilitator and expert by their sides to guide the whole process. And so whenever I'm asked about what do you think about me doing the ceremony, what do you think about me doing this medicine, my stance is always vet your facilitators, vet your practitioners. And now I feel so excited because I'm like go message Hills, go see Holy Rebel and what Holy Rebel is all about. I love that that resource is available now because it's really a beautiful, a beautiful modality and it's so powerful. So do you have like a favorite story of like somebody who went on this journey and like where they started and what their experience was and like what the outcomes are? Because I would love to paint that picture for somebody who's new to this space.
Speaker 2:Totally, and I also, at some point too, I want to add something to what you were talking about just irresponsible people offering ceremonies, but yes, of course. So I love to tell this story because he was one of my earlier on clients. I won't say his name, but if he listens he knows who he is, because I tell him, I go, you're my example that's awesome Of what not to do. So, because I think this is the point too, and even kind of just piggybacking off of what you were just kind of saying. So I worked with this client. We've been working together now on an offer, I think like about six years or so now, and he had just moved to Los Angeles when I first met him. And I remember when he, when I met him and he, he came and he pulled up and he kind of had I think he just had like a rental car or something, cause he was just like kind of getting on his feet at the time and he was really interested in macro dosing and I was like, okay, well, this is. You know, if you intend on doing that, this is what you kind of need to do to prepare yourself in terms of like finding a space that you feel completely safe in and cause he wanted to do it on his own and I'm I'm totally for that If you are able to be responsible.
Speaker 2:You know, and I had been working with him prior, even just for the a little while, maybe like a few months, just doing microdosing. And then he wanted to take the next step into a macrodose experience and I told him I go find a safe place. I always recommend really for people to do it in their homes, because a lot of times you want to relax and maybe just lay in your bed. You know that you're safe in your home, there's nobody that's going to enter your home that you don't know, or maybe your spouse is there with you, like just these things that to set yourself up for the most success drink, have water, be properly mineralized and everything prior. And I told him all these things that were necessary to have a good, safe and abundant experience and I had told him the dose that he should be taking and he did not listen to me on that part.
Speaker 2:And when I got a call from him later in that evening where he said that he had taken more than I had suggested Cause I said do not take more than this amount. I mean, if he were to have done that, he would have been okay, but it just. But he was not prepared to do that. And when I received that call and he said that he had taken more than I had suggested he had taken the amount that I told him not to do he was like I'm feeling a lot of things and I go, okay. Well, this is the moment now for you to just remind yourself that you will be okay, but this is also the choice that you're making in taking. This is not something that you mess around with. You know, I wasn't trying to scold him or anything, but I'm trying to prepare him that the ride is about to twist and turn a little bit right now. So, and then I got a call from him and then he said, okay, he's like okay, hills, thank you, I'm just going to breathe through this and just go there. And I was like okay, I was like you got this. I know you can do this.
Speaker 2:And then I got a call from him the next day and he was like I should have listened to you.
Speaker 2:He goes, but it was also the best experience of my life too, wow.
Speaker 2:So it's like, and he's also now become on the Forbes fortune list, I think, and he's started his own companies and he's married with a baby now and he's done a lot of startup companies and it's really beautiful to see him win.
Speaker 2:But I also like to kind of tell people I like I know people want like a story of like oh, you know, they did, they went through this and it was like this magical experience. But this is also. Healing is not necessarily always beautiful for sure. In fact, it's actually most of the time not beautiful, not when you're in it. And this is also just saying like, kind of when you decide not to listen to people that are kind of giving you the best advice you could possibly have in an experience like that. But still, then he was able to strap himself in, so to speak, and because I think we also did work together for a few months prior that he was preparing himself in a way, and it's like it's almost like when your client kind of takes a leap a little too soon and some of them make it and some of them don't, but fortunately he was one to have made it.
Speaker 1:That's amazing, wow. There's so much in what you just shared that I'm like I mean, how often do we I'm going to put myself in this category too just decide that, like we know better, you know like, oh, we know better, and I love the thing that I love about like ceremony and particularly like plant medicine, is nature. Nature is going to give you what you need. Nature is not interested in what you want and the wisdom in nature is so far beyond, I think, what we have access to consciously and like we are nature, so we have access to it. However, there is this real thing around like limits in terms of like mindset and capacity and perception and bias, and so I feel like nature is only ever, always, operating in complete truth, and I love that you shared that. You know healing can get messy or uncomfortable, because I have yet to have a ceremony that is like magical butterflies and sparkles and like this happy, super experience, right Like I feel like when I sit with myself in these spaces.
Speaker 1:It has always been intense for me and has I've never come out and been like that was so pleasant and at the same time like the wisdom that has come through as a result of my ceremonies has informed so much, like years later, years later, and I remember, like giving birth to Ezra, our littlest one, and the medication didn't work Right, I was like I want an epidural and an epidural like did not work at all.
Speaker 1:So I basically had like a full on natural birth, which was incredible and also not on my agenda. And so nature right, nature will give you what you need, not what you want. But I remember in that moment finally understanding what a couple of my ceremonies were trying to teach me and prepare me for, and it was really that surrender. It was really that level of trust in the body, trust in the experience, and surrender at a different level than I was ever willing to. And so this story wraps up so much for me around like, yes, this is exactly like the power in it, right Cause it really I could see how his human impulse was to like override your advice, right.
Speaker 1:And and take his own journey. Yeah, and also how that probably really connected him and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but just as an observer like I would imagine it probably connected him more to his ability to trust himself and hold himself through discomfort and through uncertainty, which then probably allowed him to create so much success going forward. Because I tell my clients, the barrier to entry for success is how you be with uncertainty, because there's so much of it right, it comes in boatloads when you're building something right. So thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I mean, it's just also something to just again tag onto what you were just saying. It's Mother Nature and maybe this isn't the best term, but this is kind of how I view her, with so much reverence and respect. When I say this, it's like she is the greatest serial killer of all time, For sure.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:She wipes out territories, go systems, when at her whim, you know. And so it's like when we decided to ingest something as an extension of her in us. There's that point of you have to be like, oh, my ego, my, my ways of thinking, my programming, it just dissolves, yep. And so it's like rubbing up against everything that you've told yourself to survive in life up until this point just goes and can be catastrophic in a way. But then also the renewal part of it, of just feeling so like it's almost like you just broke yourself out of jail. You know we were like, oh, I don't actually have to do that, I don't have to behave that way, I don't have to go to these thoughts anymore. But that's also. That point afterwards is amazing. But then you also have to actually integrate it too.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, I have the big part, oh, it's huge. The integration is. I mean, you have the journey right. Whether you do a micro or macro experience, you have the journey. And then I feel like the real work begins in the integration. Because now you're like how do I move? Because once you know something, you can't unknow it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Like there's information that you're like, I kind of wish I could go back to the version of myself that I was before I knew this, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's like. It's like you're a kid on a baseball team and you keep being like put me in coach and then the coach puts you in and you better swing. Yeah, whether you hit that ball or not, like it's coming for you so, and you'll keep swinging until you strike out and then you get back in line all over again. That's literally what it is, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I have this, what you spoke to. I have this moment where I did I went on a vision quest and like, literally, I signed up like two days before they were doing this whole thing. Okay, so I was like, didn't even know what I was signing up for. I had done one vision quest, I think, before, but it didn't include any ceremony or any medicine work. This one did.
Speaker 1:So we're out in the middle of nowhere, like we're literally. It's like literally uncharted, unmapped territory and we're out there, no cell phone service, no, nothing. We got water and we got potatoes and we're like fasted and all that kind of stuff. So we do a single day journey, like by ourselves, where we take ourselves solo into a spot where you can't see any other humans, and then you're on your journey, right, and I remember sitting there and having this moment of like. If, if an animal approaches me right now, right, like a Puma, cause there was definitely like mountain lions, pumas, like we're like there was a group of men that came with us, that were at a separate camp and like they have like a mountain lion walk through their camp, right, like, and they saw it.
Speaker 1:So I'm like this is highly it's possible, but if a mountain lion decides that I'm the threat, what am I going to do? Tell it, I have three degrees. Like what am I? I'm going to be, I'm such a good person. Like what am I going to plead Like I've always made the right choices, or I believe in Jesus or I? You know like I went to USC and I'm so I can heal your sister? You know, like there's nothing like it was this epiphany moment Hills, where I was like nature doesn't, does not care about your identity or how good of a person you are, where you came from, how much money you have, what your social status is like none of it matters. And that blew my world wide open. At that point, I think, after crying for a few minutes right At the smallness of yeah, I also then like started laughing because I was like this is really all just.
Speaker 1:We literally made all of this up. Yeah, how cute we are, you know, to think that, like I'm going to drive back into the city, All this stuff is going to matter, Like it's like wow.
Speaker 2:The stories.
Speaker 1:I've been telling myself for decades with so much emphasis and so much like attachment. Then you get into the wilderness, you get with mother nature and some plant medicine and you're like wow.
Speaker 1:I really am like an ant on. So I love that perspective because it's so true. And you know, my husband likes to say there's no drama in nature. Like we bring the drama, we add the drama, but like a storm rules, rolls through the forest, and the storm just rolls through the forest, you know, like there is no weeping, there is no long extended grieving, it's just like it never existed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, I mean humans just we kind of act like we're our own individual space operas.
Speaker 1:We really do, you know, we really do yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and nature just has no time for that.
Speaker 1:Nature's like please get over yourself. Yeah come back down to to earth, literally, you know. So my question is how would somebody like, how might somebody know that they're ready for, like, this aspect of healing, this component of healing?
Speaker 2:Well, I do like to think that it is some kind of subconscious calling. You know, I think there is this if you're interested in it and you do feel like you keep getting pulled to it somewhere or another, like maybe you keep hearing, like in your community or your circle of friends and family, that they're talking about it or somebody you know has done it, or you've been presented Cause. Even when I did my first like ayahuasca ceremony, like 10 years ago, I danced around it for a long time and I was very afraid of it, to be quite frank, just because of the stories. But I think it is initially a call like you're. There's this spark and it's not for everybody and it's also it's not a one size fits all too, but in terms of, I think, working with plant medicine, specifically more like mushrooms or psilocybin, I think it is this call that you have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really love that you framed it as like if it cause, it's like if it finds you cause. That's really how I experienced. It Was like I didn't go looking for any of this. It really found me. And then, from my perspective, I was like, well, I am a healer and I want to know more about these different modalities, I want to know more about what's available, and really my intention, I think, has always been to get more curious about where my edges are and what my limits are and and how I operate and where I have gaps or deficits or opportunities, you know. And so I'm a big fan of, like, the exploration of the inner world and this is a huge opportunity for that. But it really did find me.
Speaker 2:And it's not, like I said, for everybody, and that doesn't mean that somebody's not as open, or you know, or more conscious Cause I hate that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:It's just we have to find our individual sizes of things and, like some of the most brilliant, open-hearted people I know, have never done this before. So it's like it. This doesn't necessarily make you a better person, it doesn't make you a more conscious person. It's it's part of your journey or it's not part of your journey. And yeah, that's why I think it is like a call, a calling or an interest or a desire or a curiosity that just kind of keeps coming your way. It's like a boomerang a little bit, you know, or you're flipping the channel, which I know we don't do anymore but, like you know, if that person keeps coming back on your, on your app, then I guess they're a match for you. So, and that's kind of, I think, how this works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really appreciate the perspective that there's no like moral hierarchy around it or like better than or less than, especially because I've known people who, like they've sat in ceremonies and nothing has happened. Oh yeah, like literally, like it's just like nothing. I sat in a ceremony once and it was with a different medicine, and I was like ready, you know, I was like ready to go, I'm ready, okay, let's do it. Nothing happened and I had just as much dosage, just as much as everybody else that was sitting there, you know, and then it was just very clear that, like this is not for you right now.
Speaker 2:And I'm like, oh, okay, there's also potentially two things to that too of what you were just sharing, cause this is also not uncommon for it to happen, especially something like in. I've seen it many times when I used to do ayahuasca ceremonies, like close to 10 years ago, because my ex, my ex partner at the time he was an apprentice to a shaman and so I was kind of very heavily involved. I wasn't necessarily an apprentice myself to with ayahuasca, but I was definitely. You know, my partner at the time was around it and deeply devoted and involved. So it was like I was in some ways kind of along for the ride and learned a lot too and witnessing people in ceremony taking the same amount as me or everybody else, or even maybe even more, and they just slept through the entire thing. So there's two things to that potentially and it's not necessarily that it's going to be these two things, but it's highly likely. One is minerals.
Speaker 2:Most people do not talk about this at all in the plant ceremony community and I think it's such a devastation and irresponsible thing to not talk about. But we have to really prepare ourselves, our bodies with minerals, and everybody's minerals are going to be a little wonky and just this day and age that we're living in. And the one probably we all are deficient in is magnesium, because that's our stress, you know. That's where our cortisol starts to balance. Most of us are probably deficient in potassium as well and it's like, but then it's all individualized too. So when that happens, I know a lot of shamans and or curanderos or leaders of of ceremony say you need to get on a diet, meaning it's a diet that it's like this typically no animal products, no sugars, no refined sugars, and it's pretty, I think, low on carbs too, if I'm not mistaken. I know some people kind of it can go, depending on protocols, but you're supposed to be like that, potentially between one to four weeks prior leading up to the dieta, and that's just not. I know people are going to be upset with me, but I don't care because this is just what I think is true from the research that I've been doing and learning about minerals is that that is not the smart thing to do prior, because using plant medicines like this, they are extremely depleting in terms of minerals, so it's literally detoxifying your body, I mean, especially if you're doing something like ayahuasca, like some people purge, and that's just a wave of minerals gone, and so you should probably really prepare your body prior to that.
Speaker 2:And the reason why we do these diet does is because more indigenous cultures have been operating that way, but also indigenous cultures that live in the amazon. They have the purest forms of water still available to them, that have all of the minerals possible has have. They have a live soil. Their food that they eat is much more rich in minerals and nutrients than what we have today. So and they're also not put where they're not on the phone and the computer and being sedentary Like they're actually still being how human beings I think were initially intended to live on this earth.
Speaker 2:So one of those things of the thing of sleeping the entire time or no actual effects happening is just mineral depletion prior to it. Your body's not prepared to go to those places, yeah. And then second is actually, if your body can be highly inflamed, because this is a detoxifier that you're taking, really your body is doing everything it can right now to restore itself. So I mean, I've seen people sleep, like I said, through ayahuasca, and it's like they wake up and they're like wait, what happened? And we're all like.
Speaker 2:We're all like kind of chatting about like we had these profound experiences and met God and went to different dimensions and things like that, and that just wasn't the case for them and it's like the body is trying to restore itself in those periods. So it's like sometimes what your body needed was simply just rest and restoration. So those are typically the two things I find to be like most likely to have happened in experiences like that. But it's, like I said, it's not uncommon and it does kind of work in mysterious ways sometimes that we are like wait, I didn't realize, that's kind of what I needed, like I wanted this profound experience, but the profoundness is sometimes to simply rest, yeah.
Speaker 1:And now that I think about it, as I hear you explain this, that's probably exactly what happened was it was day three, right, and I had already sat with ayahuasca purged a bunch. Then, you know, psilocybin purged did whatever that did in my system, and then day three was like I was going to sit with combo and the combo was like nope, not at all.
Speaker 2:Nothing. Yeah, especially doing something like that back to back. I mean, your body was probably just I can't obviously know for sure Cause we're not there and we don't have the test results and stuff like that but it sounds like, you know, your body probably just got zapped and was like sure I have nothing left to give you Good night and was like sure, I have nothing left to give you Good night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, as you explained, I'm like that's probably exactly what happened, because I was tired and it had been a big full weekend. You know what I mean For my body and my spirit and everything.
Speaker 2:So that's fascinating, yeah, and that's also even with the mineral part too, of like the integration. It is so important to like, remineralize afterwards and be like on a, on a stable diet or even just taking certain supplements that you need, because that's going to help you integrate everything that you just went through and experienced. And that's why I think sometimes you meet and I know you've met them, I've met them, we've been around them people that have done so many ceremonies and they're just almost gone like spacey, you know, a little airy, never grounded, and these are kind of reasons why, in terms of just not being stable with your minerals and nutrients, because your body, you know, even with you, katie, with your minerals and nutrients, because your body, you know, even with you, katie, giving birth, you know what I mean your body went through an entire process of being able to to form this child inside you and then give birth and then also like nourish this child afterwards too, for several months, like you, as going through even just a pregnancy, you have to take so many minerals. That's why they're doing the prenatal vitamins and making sure you're eating well and like cause. It's like you're and that's the same thing.
Speaker 2:It's like going into an ayahuasca ceremony, doing a mushroom or psilocybin ceremony, any kind of plant ceremony. It's like think of you if you're you know, especially if a woman doing this. Compare it to that. Like you wouldn't just not do anything to prepare yourself for that event. That lasts really kind of two years. I know they say nine months, but no, it's two years, two years if not more, sometimes even with postpartum and everything you know, and that's kind of what we have to look at it more like. It's just not like I'm going to have this magical weekend and it's all going to be dandy, it's dandy.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, yeah, and really like it's.
Speaker 1:So, as you say this, I'm like, of course, yeah, cause I was even sort of that like well, with my first son I was definitely the oddball, less so with with our second one, but I was the one that was like I want my percent of free stride, like I want you to encapsulate I'm going to get this encapsulated and my parents were like what you know, like the lady who actually did both of them that's how long she's been doing it for she did both boys but they, like you know, she came to their house and like did it in their kitchen and you know, and bless my parents, they're so down for like, they're so supportive, I love them so much.
Speaker 1:But it really wasn't service to that because even with that additional natural supplementation, it still was like a two year process of death and rebirth and reprogramming and re-identifying in the world and and so that's like again, I think I've said this earlier, but I'm so excited and passionate for what you've created with Holy Rebel, because you are this space for people to have more knowledge, to have more proper facilitation, to really like be educated and to have support all the way around. It's so holistic. It's so empowering. So please can you tell people where they can find you.
Speaker 2:You can find me on Instagram if you'd like, at myholyrebel, or you can just go to my website, which is myholyrebelcom. You're very welcome to set up like a free like phone call consultation. There's also just a lot of free like content and education videos on there, especially even on my Instagram, to a lot of free just education, educational content too. So if you're just even curious and just want to be a little bit of a looky Lou, do a little window shopping. You know, Holy rebel definitely loves to share and shine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so generous of you in that way to provide so many resources and so many like videos, and you know I like to call it edutainment, like education, entertainment. You know I didn't come up with that so I won't take credit, but yeah, and then you did mention, I think, that you might have a program coming up, so probably a good idea for people if they are if your ears did perk as you were listening to this to follow my Holy Rebel and to get on their newsletter list and stay tuned for that, because there are programs and offerings that Hills has that are just super informative, really powerful and empowering, and that's a great place to like start your journey if you feel like it's time for you to step into this space.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so even currently, right now, I'm doing a class called 31 Day Microdose Transformation, where it's just a four-week class, it's online and it's really me giving you the full rundown of how to properly microdose and teaching you all the science, the history, giving you my own, just personal data of working with people from the past you know, seven, eight years now from people all the way from their twenties to even up into their eighties, from all different walks of life, and and just really helping you feel super informed and confident moving into microdosing and learning how to create your your own personalized protocol as well. So that's the class I'm teaching right now and I will be doing another class before the end of the year. I haven't quite set a date on it yet, but I had a lot of people interested and people being like, oh, did I miss it? And I was like, yeah. So I feel like it's just.
Speaker 2:I'll do another one before the end of the year because it's a lot of fun and online and you get to have your own kind of like online mycelium community of just being around other like-minded people. Because one thing that's really cool about like the clients I work with, it's like a lot of them are very gifted, highly working professionals and and just really magical people you know and or sometimes even like just hearing people's stories is just it's so magical and so humbling too and just makes you recognize that we're all really connected and just that's how kind of the mycelium network works anyway. So it's kind of cool to see it displayed like that. So yeah, that's kind of the offering I have in terms of a little program that's coming up. So just keep your eyes peeled before the end of the year Most likely it'd be, most likely November. I would do it before the end of the year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean perfect timing, you know, go inward during the winter at least here for us in the States wintertime, yeah, exactly. I love it. Thank you so much, Hills, for your wisdom and your generosity and your love. Thanks for sharing with us and educating us and just empowering us to make really beautiful choices for ourselves on our healing journey. I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you so much, Katie. Such an honor to be on this podcast. I'm just like, oh my God, I got to be on Katie's cool podcast.
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