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Ep 27 BEYOND: Spiritual Balance and Business Growth with Caitlin Naramore
Discover how to bridge the gap between intuitive living and logical business practices with Caitlin Naramore, a coach who empowers conscious female entrepreneurs in the healing and coaching industry.
Caitlin shares her inspiring journey of self-expression and creativity, offering profound insights into the unique challenges and triumphs spiritual entrepreneurs face as they bring their visions to life. Whether you're balancing structure and creativity or navigating the ups and downs of business growth, Caitlin's wisdom provides a guiding light for achieving sustainable success without sacrificing your authentic self.
Imagine a world where logical frameworks enhance your creativity rather than stifle it. Caitlin and I explore this fascinating concept, using analogies like a riverbed guiding water or a canvas for art, to show how structure can actually support and elevate your creative endeavors.
We also touch on the role of technology in today's business landscape, emphasizing the importance of healthy discipline and structure in achieving freedom and success. Caitlin shares her strategies for creating balance in business, ensuring that every step taken is both meaningful and manageable.
Entrepreneurship is often described as a roller coaster, and Caitlin knows firsthand the importance of balancing relentless work phases with restorative practices. We discuss the necessity of self-care, the value of a supportive network, and the significance of unity and love transcending religious boundaries.
Caitlin's insights remind us to recognize the divine within ourselves and respect each other's paths to God, ultimately celebrating diverse ways of worship and living harmoniously.
Tune in to be inspired by Caitlin's journey and learn how to create nurturing environments for sustainable growth and self-expression.
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Hello, my friend, and welcome to Beyond the personal growth podcast for the people who are healing beyond their conditioning and beyond the cycles that played out before them. My name is Katie Lynn and, with 20 years of experience in the field of psychology and human behavior, I am bringing my natural curiosity, expertise and personal life experiences here for discussions that are guaranteed to be informative, inspiring and entertaining. I'm glad you're here. Let's get started.
Speaker 2:Today on the podcast we have a very special guest, caitlin Naramore.
Speaker 2:Caitlin has been relentless in her commitment to improving women's health, business relationships, financial freedom, creativity and quality of living. Caitlin helps conscious female entrepreneurs in the healing and coaching industry design and build their elegant businesses to six figures and beyond as they master the art of business strategy, sacred sales enrollment, online omnipresence, ideal client lead generation, team building and magnetic messaging, all while honoring their own unique, queenly brand and vibe. In addition to individual coaching, caitlin has hosted several women's workshops, classes, retreats and premium online programs. She is also a public speaker, chef for billionaires, singer and has been seen in Yoga Magazine, dress Magazine, san Francisco Chronicle and interviewed on multiple podcasts. Caitlin integrates elements of optimal performance, coaching, wealth mindset, high-level sales and implementation strategies, queen energy alignment, healing sessions and marketing and branding strategy to help her clients live and design their perfect 10 businesses and lives. Caitlin is a stand for all women to be queens of their own lives and I am so honored to have her as a guest today on Beyond Caitlin. Thank you so much for joining us, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm grateful you're here. We met briefly at an event in Arizona and we have been trying to connect, I think for at least a year now, if not more, in person, and when I saw you I was like there she is. That is the embodiment, that is the frequency. It really was queen energy. There's this theme of self-expression through you and I'm so curious of how that came to be. That's awesome.
Speaker 3:First of all, just thank you. I felt the same way meeting you. It was like instant connection, gosh. I mean. It's such an epic question in that, if I really am honest and just like looking at that question straight in the face, it's like that's been my journey of my entire lifetime, right, and I'm sure a lot of people can relate to that as like finding our voice, finding our truth, finding our own unique expression, our creativity, right, I believe everything stems from creativity, the universe itself, but women in particular, you know, are there, are, make babies, right, and and and carry these kinds of codes, you know, for lack of a better word, of this just creative, expressive impulse of creation. As long as I can remember, I have been the girl who, like, braided her hair and like cornrows and like gold plated them when I was like 11 years old, you know, in like a small town in Northern California.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 3:I was always a little bit out of the box and self-expressive.
Speaker 3:I was always expressive in my style. I was expressive in being a writer and an artist. I paint and I do all of these things and so throughout my life it's just been my kind of essence of who I am, slash, my mission, and this sense of bringing like well, I said I said at the beginning when we were first chatting, you know, like the invisible, making the invisible visible. Yes, there's probably a lot of folks who may be listening, or some folks who may be listening, who have a pretty rich inner world.
Speaker 3:I have a very strong imagination, a strong visionary brain. I've been blessed with visions like, literally, visions hashtag, no drugs needed, like just all my life, and so the act of being able to bring that out again in these different forms of expression has been, and continues to be, the journey of a lifetime, because it's so rich and there's so much within to share and create and to expand on. And then thereby, you know, one of the facets of what I bring to the world is my coaching and my connection with other women who want to bring their essence, their voice, their wisdom, their truth, their expertise through their businesses online. And what a beautiful platform to be able to bring all the different forms of our expression and business, being a huge one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the thing that I really find so compelling about your presence and your work in the world is there is this weaving of the creativity and the expression into the realms of business and logic. And as a feminine creative, in my experience my feminine and my intuition is really not concerned with logic at all. That intuitive message and guidance that comes through me is rarely convenient. It is rarely well-timed if I'm going from the judgment of my mind, and it doesn't always immediately make logical sense. In fact, most of the time it doesn't. And in my experience that's where the courage gets to be fortified, that conviction gets to be fortified. I share with the people that I work with and myself that like it gives me this sense of like walking blindfolded sometimes and like you get one step at a time and once you take that step you get the next one. Then once you take that one, you get the next one. And I would love to hear your thoughts on the role that creativity and expression actually plays within the context of business.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, it is such a good question because I work primarily I wouldn't say only I've had a few male clients but primary clientele is geared towards women and queens, as we say, and specifically women who are in. They're spiritual entrepreneurs, they're healers, they're heck, they're mystics, they're relationship coaches, they're in the healing sector in one capacity or another and they're just brilliant women and they are women who are primed to live from their intuition. They live from their intuition probably more than the majority of society, right, it's their MO, so to speak. And so part of that bridge and it can be challenging is bringing that structure, bringing that logic, bringing that methodical way and container to a more free-flowing, quote-unquote feminine way of being right. That is natural to many of us and not all women. I mean there's plenty of women who are like highly logical right and vice versa. There's plenty of men who are more artistic and intuitive and all of that.
Speaker 3:So it's not just to say all women and all men, just to be clear on that, but the women I work with that is so much a part of their journey and it's this fine balance of like yeah, yeah, girl, you got to do the things, you got to build the structure.
Speaker 3:It's going to help if you create a calendar. It's going to help if you bring in logical structure to be able to encompass, like this universe that you are, and all this creativity. However, you don't want to create it in such a way that is going to feel constrictive or like it's going to stamp down any part of you. Right, and in fact, quite the opposite. It goes into physics yes, it goes into literally, like there is a structure to the universe. Yes, there is an organized way that all of everything swirls within creation, and so too, in your business, and the masculine and the feminine and the polarities, like it's all a part of it. So I never want to cancel one out for the other, and I actually don't think that that's like going to be beneficial in the longterm, and especially if you're trying to do a business in the 3d world.
Speaker 2:I hear the distinction between structure that suppresses versus structure that facilitates.
Speaker 3:Well said.
Speaker 2:And it's like that logical, rational, quote unquote masculine structure that creates and facilitates the creativity right, I think of it as like the building that houses the art, Precisely you know it's like oh, we're going to an art museum right At the canvas itself.
Speaker 1:Yes, the paint right, like it's like.
Speaker 2:Oh, the canvas art museum right, the canvas, yes the paint right, like it's all of that and it's like, yeah, okay, that's the thing, that's the structure that supports the creativity and allows it to be brought forward.
Speaker 2:And then, but then there's also that other, that other aspect where it's like there is and has been and we've seen this play out in many ways where structure becomes suppressive and it becomes like structure to manage creativity or sort of control creativity, you know, and that's, that's the line and that's where I think you probably bring in so much healing and so much space for the women that you support and the people that you support, because one of the greatest lessons I've learned in my journey is how that discipline and that structure creates more freedom for me when implemented from a healthy orientation.
Speaker 3:Indeed, indeed. I think of it like as we're, you know, as you're speaking, the analogy that comes to mind is like a riverbed right Like the water is the activity the water is the flow, without that bed to direct it, it it dissipates and it just to kind of might just disappear into the earth, or whatever happens, I don't, you know.
Speaker 3:But so the you can think of the business structure as being like that beautiful earth that the water can then move through yeah, and we need that it's like utterly, because I think that the energy of dissipation because then there's there's no control, there's no focus, there's nowhere for that that creativity to go it, it it gets. It's like etheric at that point, or it's like a puddle. It's like a puddle, yeah we want like a gorgeous flowing green golden river.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Right and I'm going to add, like one of the challenges, that you know, many of the women I've worked with and some of the women can be challenged by technology itself.
Speaker 3:Yes, and all you know setting up the Kajabi and the. You know the mailing list and the. You know the posts and stuff, and I get it because I do believe we should not be in front of a screen all day, every day, and we've got to balance it with our bath time and our spa time and our hiking and all the ways in which you know we're not doing that. However, we live in a remarkable time where we have this like. We live in a remarkable time where we have this like what four inch device I'm picking up my phone right now this thing that fits in the palm of your hand, that you can literally do anything and everything from and express yourself.
Speaker 3:Yes, and in a country in the United States and much of the world, thank goodness where we are uncensored for the most part, where we can say what we mean, what the beautiful image is, that talk about what we believe in and nobody but ourselves is stopping us, and that it's a structure. It's actually a thing designed, you know, to spread our message and to to give us a stage that's never before existed. You know, until whenever these things came about you know the last 20 years or whatever Right, and so I'm always, you know, women will.
Speaker 3:They'll kind of huff and puff about how to do the post and stuff and I'm like here, you. I don't want to invalidate you, However, and yeah, I don't want to invalidate you, however, and yeah, what you have right here is a like.
Speaker 2:You can make millions of dollars and help so many people and help and reach so many people across the world. Yes, yes, and that's the thing.
Speaker 2:I really resonate with this because, oh, I wish I could go back and tell my 27, 26, 28 year old, like, just building business, just figuring this out, you know, seriously, cause I always tinkered, but seriously, you know, and I said I'm not made, I'm really not made for employment.
Speaker 2:I'm being so honest, you know, like I was the one that was like I'm sitting at my desk and I'm getting all my work done, but when I don't have work to do, I'm building a business, I'm building a side hustle, you know, while I'm sitting there. So in that transition, I had so much resistance to the structure. And then, as I really started to do my healing work and I really started to connect with my true mission and what I was created for and who I'm created by, and all of that, what I came to realize is the integration lives in my motto, and my motto is make it fun and get it done. And so the feminine is the make it fun. How do I make it fun? Right, and so like even you know, I use Calendly, which is a way to schedule people and, you know, bring in, you know facilitate connections and conversations and interviews like this, and so I'm like, how do I make it fun, I pick a cute color for this appointment date.
Speaker 1:I put a picture up there.
Speaker 2:I play with the questions.
Speaker 2:You know like there's always an opportunity to bring in, if we choose it, that energy of fun and play.
Speaker 2:And how can I get creative here and how can I make it appealing for me?
Speaker 2:Because I am here on planet earth for now and this is what I've got to play with and really, even in this realm, the structure is so malleable still for us, right, we've never had more options, like you said, we've never had more options for creativity, for building our own structures, for designing our own systems, and so what I hear in your share, and part of the reason I loved reading your bio, the whole thing, is because it's really about that blend of yes, you are here to be a creative, you're here as an intuitive, you're here as a mystic or a high priestess or a high priest or whatever that is, and you will support you in serving more people and creating greater opportunities for self-expression and all of that which I think is so fantastic, because I'm also not a proponent of the. You can be only creative and only this and expect results or expect to create something that's sustainable. You know there are these quantum leaps, but like that quantum leap was two years in the making, or three years in the making, or 20 years in the making.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I I share with people like look, I hear about these leaps and these, these quick successes, especially in the business world which is is. It is exciting, and if I'm looking at nature, and I'm considering my experience as a woman, I have never wanted to quantum leap a baby. In fact, that's really dangerous. That's a dangerous game to play.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like.
Speaker 2:I want that baby to marinate to take 38 to 40 weeks. You know the full time like that to me is how we align with nature and really what you stand for around, like aligning with self-expression and also honoring the principles of this reality, and not just honoring them, but like leveraging them.
Speaker 3:Right, and it's so if you're speaking my language, girl, like you know my favorite top, well, my favorite thing in creation is nature. You know I'm a nature-based being and everything, we have everything to learn from nature, and that nature has its timing, has its cycles. You know each is different, right? You know an elephant's gestation is going to be different than a hummingbird, right, and which, yeah, I like things get colorful and esoteric in my mind a lot, but like it's really relatable because you know someone can and it can go into this comparison thing, but everyone has their own kind of frequency, I think. And times, timestamp, um, and so I, yeah, I mean that's a whole other subject, but I think there is something it's so wise to trust the process and to and to do things in an organic way, and I always teach to the nervous system One woman might be ready to go for a hundred K client.
Speaker 3:Another woman might be losing her shit at, like, raising her prices to like 5,000 or something, and that's okay. Wherever we are is perfect and you don't want to quantum leap past it. Sometimes quantum leaping is the thing. Sometimes you don't have that structure back to structure, created to be able to catch you on the other side, right, right. So it's so crucial. You know, once again, you're just, you know you're gonna want to. Sometimes it's just that, like you said, that one step and then that next step, and then that next step, and you're methodical and you're goal oriented and you're focused and you're like you know, and you stay, even on the hard days and even on the tasks you don't want to do. You keep the mission in mind at every juncture and have the patience, but also the, the, the um, the skills and the and the. You know, ideally you do have a mentor who can kind of guide you through some of the things, because sometimes we just straight up, I think that's the real quantum leap.
Speaker 2:I really think mentorship is the real, the most authentic and sustainable quantum leap. At least I've ever had in my experience, you know, because it's like the way showers can really remind us. As you were speaking, I was like remind us that we are nature and that nature wastes nothing. And those moments right where we don't, I mean I've had moments where I'm like was it all just a waste of time? Was it all just for nothing?
Speaker 2:Right, Like that reflection, or, like you said right, when we're on this journey and I'm looking over and it's like she's got you know she's having an eight figure year and she's doing this and I used to, it used to play that game of like what about me.
Speaker 1:You know, has.
Speaker 2:God forgotten me and and really it's like no nature wastes nothing and what you're being brought to and through in this is creating you. It's a part of the creative process, it's a part of your gestation process, so that you can build that body right, that nervous system, build that self-knowing, that self-assuredness, that worthiness that it is for you and not in this moment maybe.
Speaker 3:And like again all these analogies. They're beautiful, you know, like a building, although actually it's funny. I'm like I don't know if this is true or not. I was driving with my stepson yesterday and we were looking at this house and he's like man, that house took. I'm like look, it's finally built. And he's like how long did that take? Two or three years. I was like, yeah, I think we've been watching that house getting built for like three years. He's like you know, those 3d printers can build a house in two days. I was like, is that true?
Speaker 2:I actually really don't know, but it's probably not as cute as the house you saw being built or as a sustainable right, you know like it's a hell of a luxury house.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's a nice house just down the street from us, but, you know, point being like houses typically, I guess, unless they're three-day printer houses, but they don't build in one. Yeah, yeah, the castle in queen analogy, or the temple in priestess analogy, they are heck. Temples probably took centuries to build back in the day. You know, and and and there's a really beautiful umence, I think reverence, and again that methodical keeps coming to mind. That's not a word I typically use. It's interesting that there's something you know, you, you, you, you. If you're an architect, you know you're like what fits where, and it's the same thing as building your business and I do like to think of like your website or your social media page or whatever it is you're creating out into the world as it is your temple.
Speaker 2:It's your sacred space.
Speaker 3:I love that and you're. You know you're inviting people in, you know to a point with your posts and then those who are going to like work with you in a deeper way, they get you know to pass through the red rope or whatever, pass through the boat, lift the bridge or whatever. Yeah, yeah, but it's, there's such a, there's such a beautiful um like permission and and and allowing, and I get it. You know, there are women sometimes who are just like I need to make money, like right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know and that can be tricky, but hopefully they have a side hustle or they have something going on that helps them to. Like you said, you know you work the job and then anytime you head off, you were working on your business, right, um, but it is. It is never. I am not going to be the coach ever. Who's going? To just be like sit on your lily pad and it'll just manifest Like no girl you gotta put you gotta put some work in, you know, and that's not going to be ideally.
Speaker 3:Some women do push past their own boundaries and that's where burnout happens. But in my world it's like no, we do an elegant design and we do an elegant design to your, the tune of your, the beat of your drum.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:And like and step-by-step, and we're going to build it with fun, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And that's really the thing that is so beautiful about what you're creating and and the spaces that you hold and facilitate for these women is that you know there is like even this last two weeks I was telling my husband I was like we've been going like 200 miles an hour these last two weeks and and it's everything we've prayed for, it's everything that we asked for being delivered, and so to like complain about it or to view it as a problem would be the most disrespectful thing that I think we could do.
Speaker 2:And we also, we also, I look at it and I go look, it's a two week period. We also. I look at it and I go, look, it's a two week period, and then we get to take a little, we get to take a breather, right. We get to have three or four days where it's steady, right, there's no calls, there's, or there's just administrative stuff, or you know, or we go out. You know, my husband and I go out for a date day or whatever that is, and so, like being mindful that it's, that it's not all or nothing, it's really this weave or this dance of like okay, we've got a push coming, we've got a two-week push coming, we're going to prepare for it. We're going to stay hydrated. We're going to stay hydrated. We're going to stay on point, we're going to get organized. Speaking of structure, we're going to stay hydrated. We're going to stay on point, we're going to get organized right.
Speaker 2:Speaking, of structure we're going to get organized, we're going to recruit the support that we need, and then we're going to also plan that breather so that we can pause, receive it all, reflect on it, review, be in gratitude even more so, and then adjust and recalibrate. And that's sort of what I think our culture kind of misses when we're communicating about success or when we're communicating about goals or big endeavors. It's like the big dreamers and the big visionaries I think, the ones that build something sustainable really understand that dance of like this is a season, we're having a season and it's a harvest season and we're out in the fields and we're pulling stuff and we're bringing things in and we're celebrating, and the season after this we will be tilling the soil and we'll be doing different kind of work and we'll be giving ourselves that that break. And so that's what I really am so excited about with you is that there is that I hear the feminine, the feminine elements and the feminine essence.
Speaker 2:And I also really feel your stand for the integration and like one needs the other and they actually amplify each other when you're coming from the right place and the right intention.
Speaker 3:Yes, well said well said precisely and I love that and that is absolutely. You know, entrepreneurial path can be a roller coaster and it's not for the faint of heart and has you know so much you know, and I really commend anyone and everyone who's taken on, you know, the journey of being their own boss and running their own thing and and that, um, yeah, the hustle it's, it's like the hustle culture, it's like hustle and yes hustle and you know, build into your structure your spa time, your time with your feet on the earth, your whatever you know your bath time, your time, you know, in your garden, whatever it know in your garden, whatever it is that balances your nervous system, whatever it is that gives you that pause even within a day, right, it's like.
Speaker 3:it's like, yes, these bigger pulses that we go through and these big you know launches I help women, their programs right, and launch phase is a go time. Yeah, there's that harvest season, which is great time to speak about because it's equino, is a go time. Yeah, there's that harvest season which is great time to speak about because it's Equinox like this weekend.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But you know, so it's. You know there are these times when you're you know you are showing up, boom, boom, boom and it's a little more relentless in that way, and ideally you're setting it up a that you're taking care of yourself during that the journey and I wouldn't have it any other way for my ladies, you know and that you're setting it up for when you know you can then exhale on the other side. Maybe you give yourself you know, a few days, you know in a beautiful place, or maybe you turn everything off for a couple of days and go within, you know, whatever it is. That might be your kind of reward after the big push and you're just time to, like you said, recalibrate and get into the zone, because typically you go through a big launch cycle and then, in the way that we do business, then you're going into delivery mode.
Speaker 3:Right and so you want to be good and ready for that, and the idea is the marathon, not the sprint. Yeah, yeah, it's just like, literally, you can't nobody can sprint all the time.
Speaker 2:No, we're not built for it.
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't think in nature is built for, like lions, only sprint when they go in the head and then they like sleep for 24 hours or something like you know you're meant to kind of do things in in these organic ways and and you know it can definitely result in burnout, heck even. You know physical illness If you, if you don't, you know, just like take care of yourself along the way. That's why it's like really kind of number one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's beautiful and it really it highlights. There was a moment.
Speaker 2:So my husband and I knew at the top of this year, we knew that our journey was going to take us to a place of more visibility and I remember we had this conversation like early January and we stood in the kitchen and we sort of took inventory of like okay, my podcast will be coming out, you'll be dropping a few pieces to come home to safe space to land that beyond the internet and beyond the funnels and beyond the clients and all of that, we've got an incredible nucleus of people that know us deeply, truly, honestly and give us the love that we need, can give us the accurate reflection that we need and really stand with us and walk with us as we bring our self-expression and our service out more into the world.
Speaker 2:And I'm sharing this because, as we've talked about self-expression and we've talked about the structures and we've talked about service and bringing it forward and making more money and really living out loud like come, I hear, just coming fully to life and playing really big. You know the spaces that mentorship and coaching and and these spaces of like I think you mentioned your program design. You know, uh, divine design. Yeah, like these kinds of spaces become the safe, the safe Haven. Yes, of like, where, where we can have respite from like the noise you know cause.
Speaker 2:The online space can be very noisy. Sometimes it can be really a little chaotic.
Speaker 3:You know for sure. I wrote a post about that yesterday. You know, women like stop themselves. They're like, oh look, she's already doing that thing. I thought of yes, yeah and do you know there's eight billion people in the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I love doing that monopolizing yeah you know, yeah, I love doing that math. Yeah, it's like even if you have 0.5 of of the population, you're going to be exhausted serving. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But you know, my partner Alok he talks about micro movements.
Speaker 3:It's like we're each these micro movement leaders and you know, maybe some of us go to the macro level of, like Gandhi and all of that, but we're each a piece of the greater. You know, awakening slash, whatever the heck we're doing. You know this amazing time we live in, where, then, you know, we're like I have, these are my people and these are the people who are going to be drawn to me specifically because of who I am and my essence and and then how they resonate and, who knows, maybe there's their soul contracts. You never know, like, how these things work, but so it's never going to um serve you to think that, to let that noise color your experience.
Speaker 3:And what you're saying is so true to have this kind of this container and we're back to the structure, because that's a strong build, um an honorable build that then you know, your dreams, your frustrations, your process can then come home to in a sense.
Speaker 2:we all long for that for sure, yeah sure it's incredibly empowering, yeah, to know that, like I call it, like my nook, you know, like I have a nook in the world and I go and I have my soft blankets there and I've got, you know good love and, and you know, warm hug, like hugs and snuggles and all that kind of stuff, and it's like okay, I can go back to my nook and, and, and.
Speaker 2:Then be rejuvenated and get really present and like ground myself and then go back out into the world, because everyone in my nook is like you were built to live in the nook you know you were like you've got to go out into the world and you come back and refresh yourself and take a break.
Speaker 3:And even.
Speaker 2:It's funny because, like my trainer, we have a trainer that we work with and he'll tell me, like when I arrive at the gym he'll be like, hey, I just want you to know, it's gonna be really hard today. You're going to need a nap later, right? So he'll like tell me, like look, we're, we're going to work today and then go get a nap, you know, or go to bed early, and so there's that balance that's really woven through everything, and that's the balance that I think people say that they want, right.
Speaker 2:It's not that there's this like I do as much work as I do as much rest, as I do as much this, it's more so, like assessing what is needed of me in each moment.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I have been really surprised more recently at how life-giving the work can be for me when I'm working in alignment.
Speaker 2:It's like there's quote unquote in air, quotes like challenges that come through that are actually life-giving for me, because I'm designed to navigate them, and so they don't feel like work to me. It doesn't feel like a burden or a problem or an issue or a fire to be put out. It feels like of course, right, like let's go into it and and so, and really like having this awareness that maybe I don't need an entire spa day, maybe I just need to sit in the quiet for like 10 minutes Exactly.
Speaker 3:Exactly Go to your nook.
Speaker 1:Yes, Go to my nook.
Speaker 3:I have a cat, you know he's like majorly my nook and I'm just like let's just snuggling. Let's just snuggle for 10 minutes, or like you you know, big hug for my partner. We do that throughout the day. We'll just hug each other.
Speaker 2:yeah, okay, touchdown carry on, yeah, exactly yeah exactly so that it's not this extravagant. No thing. All the time it's like prayer, prayer. And I love this If.
Speaker 3:I may segue. It's all, everything all at once. It's such a beautiful thing. I, I told you at the beginning I'm just after you know some real health challenges and need to kind of you know, kind of close my temple doors for a minute, um work with you know distinctive one-on-one clients, but not doing any kind of big group programs or anything like. It's just been my journey, um, and where I, I, I designed a line design and divine design, you know, as the way to really streamline your work.
Speaker 3:You know for women who just need a little less at any given time. So I was just recently kind of given the next uh, you know motivation and this is the first time I'm speaking of it publicly. So I'm going to be opening the gates to the Magdalene mastermind. Um, it brings tears to my eyes. Oh, um, I have have a long, long time had a very strong connection, um, with the Magdalene and it runs so deep in my veins and, um, so I'm reading books on Mary Magdalene right now and it's just amazing. And when you said, um, you said it so beautifully about when you're aligned, it's life-giving, literally. Just I'm reading oh gosh, what is the title of the book? It's one of the.
Speaker 3:I bought like 10 Magdalene books. I'm just like, but she speaks, she, you know she's talking about how. You know the Magdalene scriptures were literally ripped out of early Bible and you know her word was you know they made her a prostitute and like, just as a way to be like, nope, the women don't get to have a voice and are not part of our religion. Basically, and the deep journey, and I don't like to go into like victimization at all, but just kind of going like wow, this is what we're uncovering, and this is part of my mission of bringing women's voices forward and women's spiritual authority right. And so the definition of salvation I've just learned in like the true ancient Gnostic Christian text, is that it is to be alive.
Speaker 3:That is life-giving. Salvation is life itself and the feeling of life pouring through you. Salvation is this sense of like saving oneself through one's own alignment with life force itself and with creation. So I'm in this just journey of like unraveling and just going like wow, and unraveling ancient truths and how there were these, like holy rebel priests and monks who they literally hid these scriptures throughout Egypt to be found in the future. So it's just exciting, you know, because actually, even as I say that, I feel like making the invisible visible right and my own journey of kind of coming out as a soul and my own journey of helping other women do the same, it's like we are the hidden scripture and we are the salvation, and so I'm very, very excited to continue on this journey of writing the ship. It's like you know her, her voice is just as powerful, yep. So just this, this capacity for our own lights to be lit, and that it's like in and ultimately, through all of that.
Speaker 3:it's not about Christianity, it's not about any one. That it's like and ultimately, through all of that. It's not about Christianity, it's not about any one religion, it's about all and it's about unity and it's about ideally, you know, we're just loving each other, even if we have a different idea of how things might be and be like. Okay, I don't, I'm not totally in agreement with you, but I respect that. That's your path to God, you know, and I respect that. You know that's your walk. You know, ultimately, in Christ, consciousness is a oneness consciousness and this unity, love, you know, that's the heart of all things and like at the heart of everything is this love consciousness. This is what's awakening and in me right now as part of my own journey of understanding and making peace. You know, with it all, yeah, and then that segues into my music video that's releasing yes 20th, which, um, it's called for eternity and it's essentially about all the ways in which we worship God and this, you know, for eternity I've been calling your name and ultimately, that divinity is right. Here I'm pointing to my heart and that's also what was taken out of the teachings is they talked about the Christ within and, like a lot of the later teachings, they didn't want people to have the power to know that they had God within themselves. But it's like no, I'm calling your name, that is my name, that is the name of love, you know, that is the name of life itself.
Speaker 3:I included in my video footage of women worshiping all over the world in all the ways. You know Jewish and Muslim and Hindu, and you know, probably, religious Christianity. You know Jewish and Muslim and Hindu and you know, probably, religious Christianity. You know I have someone praying with a cross in there. I'm like you know all denominations, all walks of life, and someday maybe we'll figure out that we don't have to like, hate each other because we believe something different or we look different or we, you know, are a different sex, or you know all the ways in which we do the division thing as humans, which is ultimately stemming just from fear, and it's like what is the opposite of fear but love Beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, beautiful, beautiful and where do we find more of you and what you have to offer?
Speaker 3:Well, as far as you know, my website is CaitlinDarrowmorecom, and you can find out about my coaching packages and my modern queen things retreats. I've done and I do have some of my music videos in there too. You can also find well, you can find me on Facebook, caitlin Aramore Caitlin Lee Aramore. You can find me on Instagram and you can find my music on Spotify, itunes. My EP is called Destiny and it's a five track EP.
Speaker 2:Decades in the making to get this music out of me finally, so fantastic to connect with you in this way and to be able to create in this way and to share your message to even more people, because the world, I think, will be so much better with more people fully living, more people alive you know, with more salvation, absolutely you know, for both women and men.
Speaker 2:I think that's what we're truly all craving. Anyways, as we complete this episode, I would love to know your insights, takeaways and feedback. You can message me on Instagram at katielinrojano, or send them via email to katie at katielinrojanocom. Any products or digital downloads I mentioned can be found via the link in my Instagram bio. Any products or digital downloads I mentioned can be found via the link in my Instagram bio. If you enjoyed this episode, I encourage you to share it with at least one friend and leave a five-star review so we can get these impactful dialogues into the lives of even more people. I would also like to thank my guests for their vulnerability and generosity in allowing us to learn from them and grow alongside them. Until next time, friends, let's go beyond.